I'm confused. ,

What's the difference between Modern Savoy and Post-Modern Savoy?,

Actually, I kind of like the name Post-Modern Savoy. Makes me feel like I'm quoting from the past with an ironic touch. ,

Relishin' irony in my dance,,
-HopM

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  You are opening a can o' worms, my friend <IMG SRC="http://www.yehoodi.com/ubb/ubbhtml/smile.gif">,

  Of interest in note; Frankie Manning himself, I'm told, will tell you he <B><I>hates</I></B> the way that people try to break up dancing into styles with titles. To him it's either dancing or not.,

  Not to say we all should be Frankie, because we're not (as unfortunate as some of us may feel about that) <IMG SRC="http://www.yehoodi.com/ubb/ubbhtml/biggrin.gif"> nor that we all have to think like him, etc. whatever. BUT I find it an interesting thought to ponder on. I find differing styles an intesting thing to consider when dancing, so as to know what your partner will be comfortable with, but sometimes (read: often) such lines being drawn can result in bad mojo and people seperating themselves from others.,

  So continue <IMG SRC="http://www.yehoodi.com/ubb/ubbhtml/smile.gif"> I just wanted to add that little tidbit to be thought of as you talk and discuss.,

-FF,

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<p>[This message has been edited by funkyfreak (edited January 25, 2001).]

FF, good point. That's what i wanna find out. It's all just dancing, but the distinction seems to be there, although it's fuzzy.,

p.s. I added swedish style to Modern Savoy.

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&nbsp; I do tend to group styles of dancing into terms myself, it's quite hard to do not do so. For instance, in Pitts here they tend to change a few tings from Manning's Savoy - the follow travels basically a straight line, etc. This style could be lumped into that ithica style you discussed, the Post-modern Savoy, as it really isn't the Savoy that Manning teaches.,

&nbsp; However again, most times that you discuss such style differences, people classify things differently in their minds, have had different experiences that tell them different things, and slowly everybody ends up getting in some ways upset at someone else for 'not doing it right', or other such discussions. Somebody will always try to disagree with you or even Frankie (as I've had the experience of witnessing someone blatantly contradict his son Chaz Young not two minutes after he walked out after an entire weekend spent in workshops with him on the matter of Savoy Style). No matter how hard you try, something comes up, and hopefully you learn to just walk away...and into a partner, just in time for the next number from the box <IMG SRC="http://www.yehoodi.com/ubb/ubbhtml/biggrin.gif">,

Wow, longer than I was expecting...,
-FF

N.B. This type of discussion usually boils down to Lumpers and splitters.,

[I can already see that the worms are coming out of the can],

Takin' his lumps,,
-HopM,

One trademark of postmodernism is the tendency to borrow, quote, and create pastiches. In that sense, one notion of "postmodern lindy" is a dance that's borrowed from many traditions: Tango, WCS, Salsa, Hip-Hop, etc... These have blended together rather nicely, imho.,

Phlurg, that's exactly what I meant! <IMG SRC="http://www.yehoodi.com/ubb/ubbhtml/smile.gif"> ,

Perhaps the other thing about Post-Modernism is the self-consciousness of historical context and one's position in that timestream. ,

So just as I'm on count 5, I think to myself: "Would it be better to accentuate a Modern Savoy swing-out, given that I'm dancing in San Francisco at the Doghouse, or segue into a Dean Collins movie-inspired whip, given that Ken Burns' Jazz Part 4 just aired last night?",

Yeah, right. [sarcasm off],

Ack. Now I'm pretentious!,

Self-consciously and historically aware -- but always looking at his follow,,
-HopM

I've heard "old school" used by Steven as what you define as modern Savoy.,

I've heard "freestyle" for what you call post modern savoy.,

I think if you are going to define you should not clump Hollywood, LA, and DC together. ,

You also did not mention smooth style which has been around since the 80's.,

But shouldn't we be so over all these terms, we all Lindy Hop, terms for styles have divided the Lindy Hop scene for allong time. There is still a prevelent "us" vs "them" in many scenes, based on the old Hollywood vs. Savoy or DC vs. Hollywood vs. Savoy. ,

Terms lead to seperation of groups, seperation leads to us vs. them, which leads to we are better then you because blah, blah, blah (fill in the blank).,

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GirlFriday:,
<B>I don't dance Modern or PostModern.,

I dance Abstract.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>,

But if you dance Jackson Pollock style,,
doesn't that mean you're a drip?,

AHAHAHAHAHAH

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lionel:,
Question: Is there such a thing as Post Modern Savoy?,
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>,

you've got to be kidding me...,

It doesn't matter what you call it to begin with....by the time I'm through mangling the moves, it's all CRAP, baby!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DJLarkin:,
<B>I dance DJ style.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>,

Me too.,

1. Start song.,
2. Vault out of DJ booth.,
3. Grab nearest willing dancer.,
4. Dance 2:46 of a 3:10 song.,
5. Dip in mid-measure.,
6. Say "Gotta go! Thanks!",
7. Vault back into DJ booth.,
8. Select next song.,
9. Cue and crossfade.,
10. Repeat.

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&nbsp; That's one nice thing about having HepcatQ at my back, if I don't make it back in time there's always a second chance he'll be there to save me, and visaversa n' all that. <IMG SRC="http://www.yehoodi.com/ubb/ubbhtml/biggrin.gif">,

-FF

Blah Blah Blah..whatever, man,

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Poke Alex:,
<B>Has Lionel lost his mind?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>,

Always.,